New pvp system vs ahab in arena and bf idea

Hi
My name is Attikusz , and i thought ill write here something i was thinking about the game and pvp .
So my point is , i saw the new pvp system and i think its much better and more fun than the old one was , but theres a problem with , that annoys me and maybe not just me.
How i said the new pvp system is great , but how i saw every player use ahab ship everywhere , and thats the problem i was talking about.
Let me explain my idea , so the ahab ship was meant to hunt monsters and farm with , its fast a lot of harpoon launchers , NO pvp NO skulls and a lot of extra also its a PVE ship. Personally its not my fav , but i use it too , to hunt monster, but what i experienced , every player use for battlefield and arena also , and thats the biggest problem why i think the pvp isnt working out.
My idea is to restrict the ahab ship from arena and battlefield because that was meant for something else , and maybe this way the pvp will come back again , and theres more fun then.
I know a lot of players will think thats not okay and wont like it , because if they buyed the ship they can use wherever they want. Thats also right from one side , use everywhere on the sea , but let the arena and battlefield for ships which was created for that , not with a ship that wasnt meant for pvp fight.
Otherwise i think its boring , ahabs everywhere , we got a lot of nice ships and improvements and builds for this game , then we should not maximize out just only one ship because anyways everybody use that.
I hope you will think about what i just wrote here and maybe like the idea , and maybe we can change something in a better way
Best regards ,
Attikusz

 

You're confused, my friend. The Ahab has always been a ship designed for PvP as well; its 30% damage reduction makes it a favorite ship for many in arenas and fights. This doesn't make sense.

 

The Ahab has always been designed this way, and it was also used in older PvP systems, and it still worked. People who use the Ahab do so for many reasons, and it's certainly a good ship for fighting in arenas because it offers a complex playstyle that many players enjoy. If they remove the Ahab from arenas and fields, they'll be removing the playstyle of many players.

 

The fact that the Ahab has always been a ship in all game modes, and that both in the past and present on some servers people have been able to obtain practically all the PvP season rewards, shows that the problem is not with the ship ahab itself.

 

You made a solid point.
The game is boring with Ahabs everywhere. And it also makes it very difficult to achieve items and ranks in the current PvP System. However mrsavage is also right: the Ahab is a very powerful PvP ship, even though some players think it's mainly meant for PvE and hunting Monsters, which is not the case.

The developers back then created a very strong ship, perhaps originally to hunt monsters more easily and to be left alone by PvP hunters. But this ship significantly disrupts the balance in the PvP System, since there are no PvP points and skulls.

So in my opinion one solution could be, not to exclude them from arena and battlefields, but to include Ahabs in the PvP System, so that they grant points and skulls. The ship is strong enought due to the damage reduction and the feature that NPC ships no longer attack you anymore. It would still be a great and useful ship for many players.

I know this might be a controversial proposal, but don't forget that piratestorm is a pirate game and the most game interactions are based on PvP.

Best regards

 

Clearly, that's a much more solid idea than the one the first guy suggested. Keeping the ahab but making it award PvP points when killed or when been killed, like any other ship, isn't a bad option. However, from my point of view, it shouldn't give or receive skulls; it's not designed for that.

 

Better option would be if devs would put bots into the game. Bots that have real ships like piranha, gladiator, etc. If the bots entered arenas, players could get 2v2 and 3v3 items. If the bots entered battlegrounds, no more waiting list. The number of bots would of course be based on player count, if there are many players = less bots. It would fix many issues and help with the flow of the game. Many videogames like World of Tanks, Fortnite, PUBG do that to combat low playercount.

 

I don't like this idea. It doesn't make sense. What's the difference between shooting with a 12k Ahab and a 15k World Destroyer? Personally, I don't see any. And if someone wants to earn PvP points, they'll try hard and earn them, and it doesn't depend on Ahab.

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Alright , let me clear something here cuz you dont understand or dont wanna understand my point about pvp and ahab.
How i and you guys said ahab isnt giving/getting skulls and pvp points and was meant for hunting monsters , 30% damage reduction exactly because of that reason to not 'disturb'.
So at this point i can clearly say ahab is a PVE oriented ship , but ofc you can use as pvp ship because its really strong , but IF ISNT giving PVP and SKULLS that means AHAB ISNT FOR PVP CREATED , thats why i said we should use it for what was created , hunting monsters.
But something pve oriented and used for pvp fights are 2 different things , thats the main point of my saying.
Yea the other solution that making ahab to give pvp and skulls is also great idea if anyways some people think and use its for pvp ,BUT then the 30% damage reduction should be reduced.
Best regards,
Attikusz

 

The one dont want to understand seems like its you, if you take down the 30% of damage reduction the ahab becomes useless for fight, the reduction is fair as it has 43% less cannons than destroyer. If you want to take pvp play for it, stop making useless posts with 0 sense, ahab is on the game since lot of years ago, if you cannot get pvp its for sure not because ahab problem, players can use the ship they want, on latam or US server people unlocked baphometh and ahab exist so the problem is not the ship.

 

Alright my friend , think how do u want . But yes if u take that 30% off , ahab will be useless for fight exactly about that im talking. Ahab was not created for fights , was created for monster hunting , that means no canoons needed.
Please be so kind and explain to me why are you comparing the ahab with the destroyer which is for real a ship for fighting ,its an ARENA ship , for that was created and invented. ( yes you can also farm with destroyer , but why should u farm with that if u have ahab for this)
Sorry but theres no logic for me in this comparation. Youre talking about 2 different ships which were invented for 2 totally different reasons , and these 2 ships are not even on one 'level'.
To buy ahab u have to wait 2-3 weeks for event and buy for 40k diamonds. For destroyer u have to work hard to win the season. Do you feel the difference?

 

Since it's a PvP game, you can fight other ships everywhere, so the Ahab was designed for fighting as well. Many players use the Ahab in the arena and in fields. You can't take away the ship they play with just because you want a little PvP. If you want PvP, fight for it. On most active servers, players who fought for PvP got what they wanted. Good luck.

 

i never said that I want more pvp , anyways not like i have to explain anything to you sorry. What i said was about an idea how to bring back pvp , and dont worry if i want pvp i can earn it easily. but please respect my opinion too , that for me its nonsense to use only one ship in the whole game cuz its strong and awardfree. It should be balanced anyways , removed from battles or makin it pvp award. simple.
p.s. you dont have to answer anymore , thanks for telling your opinion . gg.

 

Clearly agree with you

 

It's been a long time so i don't remember very well but i'm pretty sure that when they released the ahab, it was designed for players who like to fish which is why it has :
-very few base canon
-doesn't give any pvp points nor skulls to avoid becoming a target of ppl who play pvp
-tons of harpoons launcher
-a built in rune that makes NPCs ignore you
-30% damage resistance and 10% scatter for the attacker to discourage fights even more

And if it was designed to be a pvp ship then it is nothing else than a major design flaw because:
Anyone who wants to play pvp can protect his pvp points and skulls by playing on ahab => Everyone plays on ahab => No one can play pvp for real* => pvp plays is dead (short version: ahab protects pvp => pvp play is dead).

So it's only normal that an anti-pvp ship shouldn't have its place on maps made specifically for pvp ( Arena, Battlefields, Guilds).

So yh in my opinion, ahab should either be forbidden in pvp maps or should give skulls and pvp points on these maps only.

The post is about the ahab being EVERYWHERE and you are answering that if you fight enough for it you can get pvp. that's not the point, the main problem about the ahab is that it is one of the strongest ships in fights and sinking it doesn't give anything and the player doesn't lose anything either. It's at a point where if i cross an ahab on arena, i'd rather give him the win and hope i can cross him on an other ship later. that's just how stupid this ship is

You basically have the maths and don't want to see the truth, as you said ahab has 43% less canon than destroyer but he takes 30% reduced damage but you forgot that the attacker also gets 10% more scatter so in total the ahab players takes 40% less damage. based on that an ahab and a destro duelling are basically the same except the ahab also has his anti-pvp passive( so we are saying ahab has exactly the same pvp potential as the BEST pvp ship but being an anti pvp ship) . and as Attikusz said, the destro is a reward for the best arena players of the season there shouldn't be any other ship as strong as the destroyer of world but here we are with a ship that costs 40K diamonds every 2 weeks and that you keep saying is perfectly designed.

 

Hi, I agree with you, but I think it would be easier and more interesting if they changed the issue of "PvP" ships absorbing more PvP from other ships, since they are designed for that purpose. In other words, a Piranha could gain a considerable amount of skulls and PvP from an Ahab, even if at a smaller percentage compared to other large ships, such as event ships, etc., it would still be valid and interesting. And yes, the Ahab, nowadays, as a corvette, is practically used for anti-PvP. Unfortunately, it's also used in the arena to gain an advantage; you force the enemy to spend more than necessary to sink another common ship, which means your focus is no longer just on killing monsters.

 

If people dont use pvp ships is not ahab problem, talk to the players and stop talking nosense, the game is like its a lot of time ago, ahab has the reduction damage but also has less cannons so its fair, just stop talking nosense.

 

"you force the enemy to spend more than necessary to sink another common ship" if the ahab dont use items its really easy to sink him just using ctrl + 4, if the ahab uses items you will need to use too for sure but im agree with you, stop focusing on asking for "no ahab for arenas and battles" because its impossible and ask maybe for getting more pvp points for pvp ships if what you want is pvp

 

It is an ahab problem because the ship is overpowered and allows you to prevent pvp plays on pvp oriented maps. You are just refusing to see the problem and answering with non-valid arguments like:

-"ahab is balanced because it has 43% less canon than destroyer"
But he also has 30% damage reduction and 10% more scatter for attacker so it deals 43% less damage but also takes 37% (or 40 depending if the 10% is applied before or at the same time as the 30%) less damage so that makes it almost identical to a destroyer which is supposed to be the strongest ship.

-"Since it's a PvP game, you can fight other ships everywhere, so the Ahab was designed for fighting as well"
You got that all wrong. They created the ahab because where you fish you can cross other players so they created the ahab with all these bonuses to discourage other players from attacking you. Basically you need more resources to kill an ahab that won't give you any skulls or pvp points and if you kill it you cannot earn skulls or pvp points from that player for the rest of the day even if he gets an other ship. It wasn't designed to be absolutely dominating in arena and battefields.

-"Many players use the Ahab in the arena and in fields. You can't take away the ship they play with just because you want a little PvP. if you want pvp fight for it"
When the post is litterally that ahab should at least be restricted on these maps because it's just anti-play. basically you are saying to not restrict it because people are abusing it.

-"If people dont use pvp ships is not ahab problem, talk to the players and stop talking nosense"
When once again it's a post about a global problem, not just 1 or 2 players using ahab everywhere. Everyone is using ahab everywhere because once again, it's way too powerful on map it shouldn't exist at all.

-"if the ahab dont use items its really easy to sink him just using ctrl + 4, if the ahab uses items you will need to use too"
You are basically saying it's very easy to sink an ahab if he doesn't fight back. Yeah i can sink 3 destro with my sloop if they don't fight back too. But i'll repeat myself once again, the problem about ahab isn't even how strong he is, it is that it's an anti-pvp ship overused in pvp maps.